On 8/3/09, Bob Elzer <
bob.elzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
I've just been deleting the topic on sight. But that is more work
than
> should be necessary.
>
> This is one reason I
thought it would be better to go to a forum.
>
> With a forum,
if the thread goes off course, it can split and moved to the
> correct
Subject.
>
> The thread could also be locked if it gets out of
hand.
>
> But best of all when I go to the forum, I see what's
new, and I can ignore
> all the threads I don't have
> an
interest in, and when I'm done mark them all read.
>
> Using a
forum cuts down on all the unwanted email being sent to
everyone.
>
> You can still have mail sent to you for topics
that you post in.
>
> Not sure how everyone else feels, but I
would prefer if this was a forum.
>
> Then we can get teamspeak
going to replace IRC :P
:-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
-----Original Message-----
>> From:
plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>
[mailto:
plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us]
On
>> Behalf Of Ryan Rix
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009
10:21 PM
>> To:
plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>
Subject: OT: Handling Politics the plug-discuss way?
>>
>>
Group,
>>
>> Are these political discussions (examples:
the second half of
>> Re: Guess What, when I relabelled
unsuccesfully, and whatever
>> happened to the
Geeky/entrepreneurial thread) detracting from
>> the point of this
list (which is to discuss GNU/Linux and
>> Free Software, and not
necessarily to discuss the economy,
>> the government, or
conspiracies about whether or not our duly
>> elected President was
an American or not) and in general
>> daunting for people who may
be new listers/Linuxers?
>>
>> Hans agrees with me (via a
quick discussion in the IRC
>> channel) that these discussions in
general detract from the
>> list, and make the non-political-
flame-war discussions less
>> active/less... what is the word...
visible, so I think that
>> something should be done, or at least a
discussion should
>> take place about it.
>>
>> I
see a few options:
>> 1) We leave it here and do nothing. Most
email clients have
>> the ability to filter on subject/topic of a
discussion, so
>> those who didn't want to see/deal with/get drug
into these
>> discussions could easily filter them out.
>>
We could create a new topic heading, like we have for OT:
>>
(politics: or something, when someone posts something
>>
politically kinda sorta related), allowing those who want to
>>
take part in these discussions to do so, while the others are
>>
safely shielded from them. The problem with this is that new
>>
users will still see these discusions taking place, which
>> could,
imo be very detrimental to their joining this
>> community/getting
the help with a question they may need/just
>> feeling comfortable.
But of course, this is easy enough to do
>> and leaves the work for
the users who don't like said
>> discussions to take care
of.
>>
>> 2) Create another list for these mails. The
problem with this
>> idea is that
>> (imo) mailman has no
easy way to control WHERE messages
>> between two different lists
go, so I think that it could be
>> hard to transition between the
two lists when a discussion
>> does eventually go OT-Political.
This would rely mostly on
>> the good will and rememberance of the
posters, which in the
>> experience of the last few OT-Political
threads has given me
>> the impression that this will NOT
work.
>>
>> 3) We moderate OT threads. My personal opinion
is that the
>> best way to keep flame wars down is to moderate. Not
so much
>> eliminate the posts that may incite these
political
>> discussions but to put a long enough delay on the
posts that
>> it hampers the quick reply-reply-reply-reply that
usually is
>> what completely derails thoughtful discussion. If
users are
>> given the instant chance to write a quick retort to
a
>> discussion and have that instantly posted to a hundred
people
>> who may or may not have the same idealogy basically
causes a
>> thread to go haywire in a matter of hours. With a
sufficient
>> delay in these posts being sent to the group, this
haywiring
>> can be pushed out to a day or two, hopefully
alleviating any
>> flame wars which may develop. Most of the wars
that take
>> place on p-d are about a day or two long at most
anyways.
>>
>> 4) We forbid it. I think that this is the
WORST option, but
>> an option nonetheless. I am not in favor of
censorship at
>> all, but if things get bad enough we could do
this. It would
>> probably have to fall back to
#3.
>>
>> My personal preference is #3, but that gives
someone an extra
>> job, and I don't think Hans should have to do
it himself. A
>> board of moderators be elected perhaps? Is there
any way to
>> crowdsource it? If this was a forum rather than a
mailing
>> list (which I don't support at all!) we could add
a
>> score/rating system, but I don't think that this is
possible
>> via e-mail.
>>
>> Thanks and
best,
>> Ryan Rix
>>
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>>
>>
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;)
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