I feel your pain in not getting a good response.  I have enough demand that I could easily take on a programmer to work with me in my consulting business.  I hired two consultants several years ago that left me high and dry.  I do a lot of work with a virtual company that goes out of it's way to take care of it's contractor's.  Not one W2 employee.  We are all contractors.  We have gone through 5 designers and PHP people in the last 4 years.  That is a lot since it is me and one other, except a short time when we had a part-time student working with us.  I've literally given up looking at this point. A friend that frequents this list says it is because PHP is not a mainstream language that is taught at the university.  He feels PHP programmers are mostly self taught and have not obtained a computer science or related degree. I would add that most PHP is scripting not real OOP.  One of the other problem is that most companies like to blend programmers with other skill sets.  Most want designers who can also code.  Those are two different skill sets.  I notice you did the same.  You hint in an obscure way that you want a top notch PHP OOP programmer that can use some very advanced Linux tools.  It has been my experience that Programmers might know other things like design or some system administration, however the "other" skill set is usually limited.  In a nutshell, the programmer you described could easily demand $90K plus lucrative benefits, and you might not be able to find that programmer here or on PLUG.  You might have to pay a recruiter and/or you might have to bring in someone that has web dev experience with another language and allow them to come up to speed with PHP.  ------------------------ Keith Smith